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NetScaler VPX and Access Gateway

Started by Andreas Serfiotis , 20 January 2010 - 02:49 PM
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Best Answer Christoph Wegener , 25 January 2010 - 09:07 AM

Regardless of the platform (MPX, VPX):

Citrix NetScaler Platinum Edition: 100 Citrix Access Gateway Concurrent Users (CCUs) are included in Platinum Edition.

Citrix NetScaler Enterprise Edition: Five Access Gateway Concurrent Users (CCUs) are included in Enterprise Edition.

Citrix NetScaler Standard Edition: Five SSL Gateway Concurrent Users (CCUs) are included in Standard Edition.

Platform specific:
VPX Express - Also includes five AG-E CCUs (as per Netscaler VPX FAQ)

Now, this doesn't pertain to partner use or internal use licenses. (number of CCUs depends on partner level)

Christoph Wegener

PS: As a distributor, shouldn't you have access to all this information through your account in the Citrix partner portal?

Andreas Serfiotis Members

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 02:49 PM

Hello,

Could someone tell me if Access Gateway Enterprtise edition is included in NetScaler VPX as in NetScaler appliances?

If it is, are the licenses purchases separetely for all editions? I mean with NetScaler Platinum Edition 100 CCU are included. What about NetScaler VPX Platinum Edition?

Thank you for your help



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Posted 20 January 2010 - 04:10 PM

The feature does exist and is enabled, even without the VPX license installed, as with the Netscalers. No licenses come with the express edition, and I can't say that I've had any customers purchase the platinum edition from my company as of yet, so I cannot comment on the platinum inclusion. The feature is dependant on Access Gateway Enterprise/Universal licenses being installed. The bandwidth cap for VPX traffic still applies. As such, you would be limited by both the available bandwidth and resources in your virtualization environment, and then again by the bandwidth cap. Last I heard, it was not recommended for production, but that was during Tech Preview phase, so that may have changed.

Edited to more directly answer your questions.


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Posted 20 January 2010 - 04:51 PM

Let me add a bit more detail here. Access Gateway Enterprise Edition is available in all versions of NetScaler VPX, including NetScaler VPX Express. Specifically what is included in NetScaler VPX is the gateway side (aka the SSL VPN server).

NetScaler Standard and NetScaler Enterprise include 5 Access Gateway Universal client licenses. NetScaler Platinum includes 100 client licenses. If you need more licenses than that, additional client licenses can be purchased separately.

Regarding running in production, this is more of a NetScaler VPX Express issue than a Access Gateway Enterprise issue. Nothing in the NetScaler VPX Express (aka, the "free VPX") EULA prohibits anyone from running NetScaler VPX Express in production. You're not breaking any rules by doing so. However, formal technical support -- the ability to call Citrix Support and file a case -- isn't available for VPX Express. This is why we don't recommend using NetScaler VPX Express in production.

There are no recommendations against using NetScaler VPX-10, VPX-200 and VPX-1000, including Access Gateway Enterprise functionality, in production.

-Regards,
Morgan


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Terry Anderson Members

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 05:49 PM

Just to clarify something, the NetScaler Platinum Edition comes with 10 Access Gateway Universal SSL VPN licenses, not 100. The 100 CCU licenses that are included are for the WanScaler client, not Access Gateway CCU licenses. I never really understood this because you are still required to purchase a WanScaler/Repeater appliance to use these licenses, as they don't work with the NetScaler. :(



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Posted 20 January 2010 - 08:35 PM

To begin, thank you all for your answers!!!

@Christopher Gray
NetScaler VPX was chosen due to significantly lower cost that NetScaler appliance. It will be used for a small number of users (and data traffic), therefore I assume there will be no performance issue. Of course a separate device would be the best solution!!! As for Access Gateway Enterprise Edition in the beginning we will need only 10 CCU licenses.

@Morgan Gerhart
You say: "NetScaler Standard and NetScaler Enterprise include 5 Access Gateway Universal client licenses. NetScaler Platinum includes 100 client licenses."
This concers NetScaler VPX as well??? My question arises from the fact that NetScaler VPX Platinum costs lets say 5000 and the 100 CCU licenses for Access Gateway cost lets say 8000. Is it possible for NetScaler VPX Platinum to offer licenses that are in the market more expensive than the whole package? If we were talking about NetScaler Platinum appliance (not VPX) it wouldn't seem strange as the device itself would cost a lot more than 8000.

@Terry Anderson
I have practically the same question. Does NetScaler VPX Platinum come with 10 CCU licenses for Access Gateway Enterprise or is it only NetScaler Platinum appliance (not VPX)? What about NetScaler VPX Standard and NetScaler VPX Enterprise. Do they come with 5 CCU licenses or not as Morgan Gerhart said?

Thank you again for your patience! You have been really helpful!!!

Andreas

P.S. 100 CCU licenses is something I read in the datasheet of Access Gateway where there was a reference in NetScaler and the fact that NetScaler Platinum comes bundled with 100 CCU licenses.

Edited by: Andreas Serfiotis on Jan 20, 2010 4:20 PM



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Posted 21 January 2010 - 09:02 AM

Please, could you verify this...

I did search a bit more the issue based on your answers and though I didn't find someting specific I concluded that NetScaler VPX Standard and Enterprise include 5 CCU licenses for Access Gateway and NetScaler VPX Platinum includes 10 CCU licenses for Access Gateway. Is this correct?

Thank you in advance for your help!!!

Andreas

P.S. I just received an e-mail from a Citrix Manager, System Engineering that says that "Netscaler VPX Plat edition includes 100 CCUs for SSL/VPN" He also didn't say that Standard and Enterprise Editions include any licenses...
Now I'm REALLY confused (due to multiple different answers), but having an official answer I assume I have to stand on it...

Edited by: Andreas Serfiotis on 21 Ιαν 2010 6:47 πμ



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Posted 21 January 2010 - 11:51 AM

I edited and added a P.S. in the previous message...



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Posted 21 January 2010 - 03:23 PM

And a final add to the thread...

According to the same Citrix person NetScaler VPX Standard and Enterprise include 5 CCU licenses for Access Gateway Enterprise SSL/VPN.

Thank you all for your help!

Andreas



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Posted 23 January 2010 - 08:34 PM

On the physical appliances, it was always the case that a NETSCALER of all types included 5 CCU lics. When the intoduced AGEE as a cut-down = cheaper appliance, it had no CCU's included.

Looks like the VPX range of virtual appliances continue this.

If you want only a few users, then the VPX should be fine, but for larger numbers, you have to remember that VPX does all it's SSL work in the CPU (where the appliances have SSL cards, which massively improve the throughput).

As for the Platinum CCU lics.... I have heard the number of 100 lics several times, but never been involved in the practicalities....

Paul



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Posted 24 January 2010 - 06:07 AM

Andreas,

All I can tell you is that when I downloaded our internal use and Platinum partner VPX Platinum licenses, the SSL VPN licensing was limited to 10 CCU licenses, and not the 100 as previously indicated.

As a Citrix Channel partner with a large focus on the NetScaler platform, I would reiterate my understanding that there is no SKU from Citrix for the NetScaler/Access Gateway platform that includes more than 10 Universal SSL VPN CCU licenses.

Any additional SSL VPN licenses would need to be procured separately. If there are any Citrites that would care to clarify this policy in more detail, input is always welcome.....



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Posted 25 January 2010 - 07:50 AM

@Terry Anderson

Terry,

Thank you for your clarifications. I may say I'm a bit disappointed that the answer I received from Citrix is totally different from the answer you offered me... (I work for a Citrix Distributor company and I have asked directly a Citrix engineer).
Assuming that NetScaler VPX Plat includes 10 CCU licenses for the AGEE as you say, Standard and Enterprise Editions do offer or not 5 CCU licenses as I was told?
I really don't like misinforming my customers, how can I not misinforming them though when the official answers are false or under contesting...
It seems that experience is always better...

Andreas



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Posted 25 January 2010 - 09:07 AM

Regardless of the platform (MPX, VPX):

Citrix NetScaler Platinum Edition: 100 Citrix Access Gateway Concurrent Users (CCUs) are included in Platinum Edition.

Citrix NetScaler Enterprise Edition: Five Access Gateway Concurrent Users (CCUs) are included in Enterprise Edition.

Citrix NetScaler Standard Edition: Five SSL Gateway Concurrent Users (CCUs) are included in Standard Edition.

Platform specific:
VPX Express - Also includes five AG-E CCUs (as per Netscaler VPX FAQ)

Now, this doesn't pertain to partner use or internal use licenses. (number of CCUs depends on partner level)

Christoph Wegener

PS: As a distributor, shouldn't you have access to all this information through your account in the Citrix partner portal?


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Posted 26 January 2010 - 10:09 AM

"PS: As a distributor, shouldn't you have access to all this information through your account in the Citrix partner portal? "

You are totally right!!!

I was logging in though a mycitrix account that is not a partner account and had no access to the material you mentioned. I therefore logged in with the partner account and found all the neccessary information and much more!!!

Thank you very very much!!! If only someone had told me that a few months ago...

Andreas



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Posted 26 January 2010 - 10:13 AM

You're welcome. I'm glad I could help.
I have three different partner logins myself. :)



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Posted 21 January 2011 - 03:29 PM

Hello,

The Netscaler VPX seems to include Access Gateway in function of SSL-VPN termination.
Although, when I look in the Citrix Netscaler documentation how to configure the Acces Gateway functionality in the Netscaler, it seems like the Access Gateway functionality is not included...
The only place where you find info, is in the documentation of the dedicated Citrix Access Gateway devices.
So, is it a correct conclusion when I say the Citrix Access Gateway documentation is the one which need to be checked when you want to use Access Gateway in Netscaler?
Or is is Access Gateway in the netscaler a very stripped down version of the dedicated Citrix Access Gateway?

Thanks.



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Posted 23 January 2011 - 09:40 AM

@Jannick,

It's important to include the correct naming conventions here. Netscaler and Access Gateway Enterprise Edition are the same fundamental product differentiated by the licence as this thread is discussing above.

The SSLVPN functionality in Netscaler is the exact same as Access Gateway Enterprise Edition. When looking for SSLVPN documentation please start here:

http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/index.jsp?topic=/access-gateway-92/agee-gs-with-ag-wrapper-con.html

Regards,

Andrew



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Posted 02 February 2011 - 06:13 PM

The AGEE function is but one of many features on the Netscaler.

There are 4 licence levels available for the Netscaler: AGEE, Standard, Enterprise and Platinum.... the mroe you pay, the more features are enabled... but all versions include the AGEE functionallity

Now, whilst Standard, Enterprise and Platinum feature sets are available for all hardware platforms, the low-cost AGEE option can only be bought with the entry-level MPX5500.

There are a load of different docs for the Netscaler, each covering different parts of the feature-set... and thus the AGEE docs are separate documents. Up until (not including) 9.2, the AGEE docs were available as PDFs on the units. With 9.2, the AGEE docs are only available as e-docs (what a PITA! the sooner they fix that, the better!).

Paul



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Posted 08 April 2011 - 01:59 PM

Hello all,
I just want to know..
If i have purchased Netscaler VPX-10 standard edition * 2 for HA pair that MPS 4/XenApp 4.5 farm's ICA connection only from internet access (both AG & SLB function) . May i need to purchase additional AG univeral license ? or just only have Netscaler VPX will be fine ??

Please~ it's very important to me , many thanks!!

regards,
Louis



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Posted 13 April 2011 - 06:42 PM

see my post in the other thread where you asked this question....



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Posted 03 April 2014 - 11:01 PM

Hi Guys,

 

I'd like to get Netscaler VPX Enterprise Edition and wondering if the latest edition of Netscaler VPX Enterprise already include:

 

Netscaler Application Delivery Component - to deliver windows app using XenMobile

Netscaler Gateway

the ability to securely publish Exchange Server ActiveSync protocols from 2x Exchange Client Access Server 2013.

 

as per this architecture diagram: http://cdn.ws.citrix...-April-2014.png

 

Thanks